Do You Support The Arizona Illegal Immigration Law? (Poll)

It is the responsibility of the federal government, not the state governments. The fact that Arizona didn't get the response they think they deserved from the federal does not give them the legal right to take immigration law into their own hands. They overstepped their legal boundaries and this law will be slapped down by the federal courts and rightly so.

You can count on the feds doing something this year! AZ has forced the Feds to do something. Good for AZ!

As the federal government has done little to nothing about this problem, AZ took it into their own hands. As far as it being slapped down, I was listening to the local news yesterday and the report said the Supreme Court backs many points of this legislation. I do agree that this needs to be monitored so that it does not become a witch hunt, but it does need to be done. I totally support this but will remove my support if I see it get out of hand.

#2.2:I was listening to the local news yesterday and the report said the Supreme Court backs many points of this legislation.

I do NOT agree with this legislation because it targets the wrong GROUP! It needs to go after the employers who hire the undocumented workers; dry up the demand the the workers will not come.

Another reason I do NOT agree with this legislation, and believe that it will "not pass the smell test" is because this bill is singling out the "people with brown skins" for pulling over and asked for "papers".

What about other "undocumented" people (s) - who do not have brown skins? What about the undocumented workers from European countries? Or does the bill only apply to brown skin undocumented workers? IMO, this is another reason it will be stuck down.

You need to go after the ones (employers) who are hiring the people that will work for a pittance, making the employer even richer and pitting people against people. Go after the employers and this will end the problem guaranteed. They will not come unless they are assured that they will be hired.

Yes, your current federal government simply does not care to do anything that any of the citizens or states want done. The current administration is basically focused 100% on every way they can to further their socialist nymphomaniacal spending.

I don't agree with this law as it's a Federal Issue. If Democrats crafted a Law the GOP would simply say No. Isn't Arizona the State that was building a fence? Perhaps they should build faster..? Smile :-)

Oh yeah Rixar....you raise a good point. If it was a bunch of Democrats behind this bill, would the Repubs be singing it's praise? Or would they put it down too just because of who was behind it?

Probably just who was behind it Greg&Jeff

MaryEllen Galloway

#2.2:I was listening to the local news yesterday and the report said the Supreme Court backs many points of this legislation.

I do NOT agree with this legislation because it targets the wrong GROUP! It needs to go after the employers who hire the undocumented workers; dry up the demand the the workers will not come.

Another reason I do NOT agree with this legislation, and believe that it will "not pass the smell test" is because this bill is singling out the "people with brown skins" for pulling over and asked for "papers".

What about other "undocumented" people (s) - who do not have brown skins? What about the undocumented workers from European countries? Or does the bill only apply to brown skin undocumented workers? IMO, this is another reason it will be stuck down.

You need to go after the ones (employers) who are hiring the people that will work for a pittance, making the employer even richer and pitting people against people. Go after the employers and this will end the problem guaranteed. They will not come unless they are assured that they will be hired.

First off, the majority of these "illegals" have "Legal" documentation that usually belongs to someone else. The whole "paying under the table" is not as rampant as everyone believes it to be, even in the construction industry.

Last week here in Phoenix a local Supermarket Chain did an internal audit, when requesting additional paperwork to ensure compliance they had to fire 300 of their employees. When those people were hired they had proper documentation.

The whole "paying under the table" is not as rampant as everyone believes it to be, even in the construction industry.

You are correct. Recently, as the identity thefts sky rocketed, so did the amount of illegals using other peoples ID. There is still quite a bit paying under the table but not as much anymore.

Because we don't live in Mexico. We live in the United States of America and we are supposed to be better then that.

RDS -

While I agree COMPLETELY with everything you have stated in your responses, I must point out that this emboldened act of "states' rights" has every chance in the world of literally flying through the American jurisprudence system.

If it manages to reach the SCOTUS, we may expect our "packed court" to do the right wing thing NOT the right thing. I do not hold high hopes of any SORT of impartiality or adherence to the "spirit" of the Constitution while this corruption top to bottom exists.

The fact is that this is a VERY unique and very considered action on the part of the right wing strategy and you may be sure that it has been mock chorographed from beginning to end with all of the proper switches thrown and routes of least resistance aligned.

In the fall, we need to remember that corporate, er excuse me, person dollars will be flowing freely into not just national election cofferes but into every coffer that may have any desired impact on the agendas offered by the gop.

It is, without doubt, the most dangerous invasion of domestic enemies this country has ever experienced and I fear for the outcome.

As for being better than Mexico, we stand on the brink of being better than none.

RDS, we don't live in Mexico...............good for you!!!!!!! So we don't have to obey any laws? Just pick and choose the ones that apply. You are right, we live in a country that does not enforce immigration laws. So keep paying for them..............you like it.

Because unemployment is out of hand. We should just let people fleeing Mexico. Take more jobs. The main reason they are leaving Mexico is because their country is F'D up. We need to get this huge problem under control. Things change and we need to stop this problem nation wide.

So R.Donald,

is it your position that it would be better to be a lawless society than a lawfull society?

It is my position that Mexican laws are irrelevant to this discussion. Who the @!$%# cares what the laws are in Mexico or China or Russia or any other country? Saying that Mexican laws are tougher then American laws is meaningless. We're discussing American laws.

Because the only way you could confirm if a person is in the country illegally is by racial profiling. Unless you want a huge number of federal officers going from person to person to person and demanding to see thier "papers" East Germany during the cold war. I don't know about you, but I'll be god-damned if I'll put up with that kind of treatment.

Donny...WTF are you talking about. How are the cop going to know if people have their papers on them without stopping them. Did you read what you wrote.

Also why do the business and people get away scott free that hire non-Americans. See non-Americans cannot work if Americans don't hire them. This laws only blames non-Americans. I see a lot of white males in their company trucks picking up non-Americans at my local Home Depot. Not one cop around to harass them

No officer has the right to demand that any person prove that they are a citizen by demanding that they produce their papers without just cause.

lifeisgood43 "white males in their company trucks picking up non-Americans at my local Home Depot. Not one cop around to harass them"

So now instead of cops staking our bars waiting for drunk drivers they can stake out Home Depot. These "white" males picking up his day workers will now have to pick up "white" males that will work for the same wage...good luck on that happening!

Donny:

Under Az law you are required to carry a valid ID on you past the age of 18

Federal law required any legal immigrant to carry their green card on them at all times for verification purposes

The law says plainly that if you do not have one of these then you can be detained till your ID is verified

Put the crack pipe done Snyder. Arizona can mandate ID cards as long as it applies to everyone. As long as they ask the white guy for his ID along with the Hispanic, no violation.

BKER.... like that is going to happen. You are the one smoking crack

Arizona can mandate ID cards as long as it applies to everyone. As long as they ask the white guy for his ID along with the Hispanic, no violation.

Yeah but you know that's not going to happen, because this law was crafted to especially apply to the immigrants which are the problem (hispanics) and in most instances you can tell who they are just by looking which will inevitably lead to law enforcement and other agencies using this law to intimidate and harass hispanic people and no they won't always have just cause to ask for the ID unless just cause includes taking a person's race into account. It encourages racial profiling and I don't think it would stand up in a resonable court of law, but we seem to have less of those all the time.

Stop the problem where it is the biggest part. In our work force. Don't give away jobs americans need.

I think racial profiling is, unfortunately, necessary if criminal activity is expected. You don't think they use racial profiling at airports since 9-11? If an officer stops me and asks to see my license or I.D. I give it to him...I have nothing to hide. Now, if you're talking about police brutality and abuse of power....then I totally disagree with that however, we cannot continue to allow this criminal activity to continue at the peril of our legal citizens and action must be taken. The majority of us do not wish to grant amnesty to these criminals either. They simply need to be sent back and come here through the proper channels like other LEGAL immigrants. The laws need to be updated regarding anchor babies as well. We can still be good people without allowing a certain group to trample us.

Donald it sounds like reading your posts, that you are against the common good of a law that protects the lives of people in the US from drug smugglers, murderers, traffickers, and numerous dangerous scenarios that arise from illegal immigration. This isnt about you or your inalienable rights as a citizen, its about protecting the citizens, families, and children from the dangers that come from the gap in the system that prevents illegal immigration from happening. Why would you have a problem with providing id to anyone that asks for it, you have nothing to hide right? Do you have a DL, SS Card, Democratic lifetime membership card? Do you have a problem with showing those to the DOT, or at the voting booth? Are they profiling you as an illegal because they need to see a DL or SS Card?

If the reason they ask for that identification is because of the color of my skin, then yes they are profiling me. Can you think of any other way an officer might suspect a person is here illegally then by racial profiling? Guess what, there isn't any. Racial profiling is illegal in this country, because it can only lead to racist behaviour.

We need to fix immigration, but a racist law like this is not the answer.

R. D. Snyder, There are towns in Texas, N. Mexico and Arizona, on the border, in which residents might disagree with your general position. I once liked visiting El Paso. Will I visit it now? NO. Not without body armor and my .45 ACP! The Feds have failed. What do you suggest? Come on over, the town welcomes you? Or how about legal work permits and/or immigration. Illegal is Illegal! If I am treated courteously, stop me as often as you like!

I lived in Arizona for ten years and have lived in Southern California most of the past nine years. I am fully aware of the immigration and crime problems in the border states. Still, that does not give Arizona or any other state permission to ignore the Constitutional protections. It's not their right to stop me and demand my papers just because they have a bug up their ass.

5.6 -- the U.S. Border Patrol (Feds) question white people, brown people, yellow people, all people about their citizenship every time we face a mandatory stop on the highway somewhere north of the Mexican border -- which is "always", every time we are on our way home from a trip to Mexico.

The Feds have been doing this for years, without being discriminatory about it. Simply tell them you are a citizen, or not, and show them some I.D. or some paperwork that says it's ok for you to be in the U.S. Very simple.

Now that Arizona has empowered it's own law enforcement to do exactly as the Feds have done for years, suddenly we're a bunch of racists and people should start boycotting us and we need worthless windbags like Al Sharpton visiting his unwelcome presence upon us.

The most absurd thing about all of this is how ignorant so many people are. We want to enforce the federal immigration law, so we made it a state crime too. If this is such a terrible thing, where were all you liberal protestors a month ago? A year ago? Ten years ago?

Nothing has changed with this new law except jurisdiction, and Arizona's presumption that we too can enforce immigration law within our own borders. A constitutional question, perhaps, but nothing that fundamentally changes life and interaction with police for whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, native Americans or anyone else in this state. Tomorrow, or 90 days from now to be more precise, it will be exactly as it was last month, last year, last decade.

If you are here illegally, you could get busted and deported. If you are a citizen or a legal immigrant, you have nothing to worry about.

lifeisgood43

Donny...WTF are you talking about. How are the cop going to know if people have their papers on them without stopping them. Did you read what you wrote.

Also why do the business and people get away scott free that hire non-Americans. See non-Americans cannot work if Americans don't hire them. This laws only blames non-Americans. I see a lot of white males in their company trucks picking up non-Americans at my local Home Depot. Not one cop around to harass them

So let me get this straight. You want businesses to provide the enforcement? The majority of employment are for companoes who think they have hired a "legal" worker that provided false documentation.

So rather than have LAW ENFORCEMENT ask to see documentation and check that documentation you think Businesses and HR Departments should be responsible?

So rather than have LAW ENFORCEMENT ask to see documentation and check that documentation you think Businesses and HR Departments should be responsible?

Only during hiring process imo. As long as a business runs the proper checks as stated by law then the police should be responsible for the rest. As it has been going

However, that is not how it has been going here in Arizona. The police were not arresting illegal aliens.

Feds though had 0 problems levying fines on businesses who hired in good faith. I am not exonerating alot of the businesses in any way shape or form. Even today we had a business owner and his managers convicted of abusing their illegal employeess, the irony was the owners are hispanic. I am just pointing out that the police (except for Arpaio (not a fan)) did nothing.

I am just pointing out that the police (except for Arpaio (not a fan)) did nothing.

Legally before this law there wasn't a lot they could do

Police in Az have been doing their part that they can it's just it doesn't get the press that Joe does when he does it

Since the E-verify law that requires all employers to run their employees social through the government for verification it has cut down on the hiring of illegals substantially

Az unemployment is at 10% or more right now. So if a mass of jobs open up then believe me when I say there won't be a shortage of applicants

E-verify law that requires all employers to run their employees social through the government

E-Verify is not working so well according to FOX 54% are missed. Of course FOX blamed President Obama for this even though it was enacted in 1986.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9309

So if a mass of jobs open up then believe me when I say there won't be a shortage of applicants

This will raise the cost of everything Arizonians now enjoy on the cheap. Lawn service, car washes, restaurants etc...just saying

E-Verify is not working so well according to FOX 54% are missed. Of course FOX blamed President Obama for this even though it was enacted in 1986.

Yes there are a lot of people that are missed. I'm not sure about the percentage. It isn't Obama's fault but the E-verify law wasn't enacted in '86. It was part of the employers sactions law which passed in '06 (I believe. It could of been later.)

This will raise the cost of everything Arizonians now enjoy on the cheap. Lawn service, car washes, restaurants etc...just saying

I disagree. When the employers sanctions law passed there was weeks of protests. The message was that illegals should not work and march on the capitol to show how they help the economy.

During the protests, it was reported that traffic was lighter and there were less accidents. Officially they couldn't acredit this to the protest.

We will have to see though. I don't think this will affect Arizona to much. If and that's a big if, the illegals all leave Arizona I doubt Arizona will suffer as much as others think.

Again this is just opinion so I guess we will have to see.

I guess we will have to see

How true!

Perhaps these businesses can then hire workers who pay taxes: legals.

The illegals they hired paid taxes too because they came out of their paychecks. The difference is at the end of the year the couldn't file for any money they have coming back, so the government, state and local, gets to keep that too. They also paid sales tax and fuel tax, etc. The idea that they don't pay taxes is a complete crock.

You -do- realize that many of them are hired under the table and paid in cash each day, right? So ummm....no, no crock.

No, the vast majority of them that I know are not hired under the table, so yes, it's a crock. Besides, even those few that are still pay sales taxes and fuel taxes, etc.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Well, you're wrong here too mrsrachelm. A lot of illegals will use someone else's SS card and an employer a lot of times won't even know that it's not theirs. So they get a paycheck. They get taxes taken out. And they collect no tax refund at the end of the year.

R. Donald Snyder - No, the vast majority of them that I know are not hired under the table, so yes, it's a crock. Besides, even those few that are still pay sales taxes and fuel taxes, etc.

It is your right not to say anymore. As complicit in Criminal Activty. As it is your US Civic Duty even if you are 19 years old to turn in those Illegally in the US. As indicated by your post: "the vast majority of them that I know are not hired under the table"

david-475776

R. Donald Snyder - No, the vast majority of them that I know are not hired under the table, so yes, it's a crock. Besides, even those few that are still pay sales taxes and fuel taxes, etc.

It is your right not to say anymore. As complicit in Criminal Activty. As it is your US Civic Duty even if you are 19 years old to turn in those Illegally in the US. As indicated by your post: "the vast majority of them that I know are not hired under the table"

ROFLMAO!

david, LOL. I was just gonna shrug and call it quits. Decided to call him on exactly what you just posted (minus the quote about the law itself) asking how many illegals does he know and has he turned them in yet?

Thanks for beating me to it and for looking that up. You're awesome!

I'm -still- snickering.....

;-P

The falsehood is that illegals help the economy. They do not. They do pay limited Fed Taxes, Medicare, SS etc which they will never utilize.

However the true benefits they reap for a better life are paid at the local and state level which they do not contribute to.

Medical, Schooling, Food Programs, etc.

I wish that our town would try this. It would open up a lot of business opportunities for the masses of unemployed citizens we have.

On the contrary,being legal does not guarantee someone freedom from illegal searches according to this new law that was designed for racial profiling.

This Law is a direct violation of the constitution,if it's enforced we will see an immediate influx of civil suits filed by victims of discrimination.

The lawyers must be salivating in Arizona right now.

Bigbugy

This law does not violate any search and seizure law. You have to be in violation of a law (assault, jaywalking, trespassing etc) and while being questioned if you don't have a valid ID (required in Arizona if you are 18 or over) then you can be detained till your citizenship is verified.

I agree that there probably will be an influx of lawsuits because there always is

"This Law is a direct violation of the constitution." So is being here illegally.

Essentially Arizona legislators have just taken away peoples right to be free from harrasment by the police because they are brown.This is a whole other issue from illegal immigrants.

There are illegals here from all over the world so will the police be rounding up whites too and checking their papers?

No we know they won't because this law was set in motion as racial profiling for the sole purpose of determining if someone is a citizen or illegal while totally ignoring others of a different race and color who are just as illegal.

It's worth it to stop this problem which has been spirling out of control for years now. We cannot afford to be politically correct any longer.

linny great point, im not sure if the situation has anything to do with how most of us think anymore, its all about whether the right wing or left wing promoted it and how illegal it is and start suing everyone. The fact of the matter is, this will make the families of arizona safer and its a great first step to allow california, new mexico, and texas to follow. I am interested in seeing the criminal and murder data from phoenix arizona now compared to 6 months from now.

Yeah, I expect all the illegal Italians, Irish, Polish and Sicilians will be hassled. You know how they are always jumping over the Mexican border!

The fact is that they won't, no matter what border they crossed and no matter what their status is, because they're not brown like the Hispanics are. Legal Hispanic-Americans on the other hand will be hassled. That is exactly what makes this a racist law and a violation of their civil rights.

The only people who do not like laws are outlaws.

Really? Rosa Parks, MLK, Ghandi, Jesus?

Let's reform the laws so that we can enforce our borders and give everyone an equal opportunity to become legal and contributing citizens.

All well and good but we still have to get rid of all the illegals and their anchor babies that are currently inside our boarders.

You know, when someone tries to compare this new law with Nazi Germany, it is horrifically insulting and demeaning to those who actually suffered and were exterminated by the Germans.

I am just guessing that a law enforcement officer might investigate a person's citizenship if they A. do not have valid id on them, or B. are involved in criminal activity. I would seriously doubt that in a state that is predominately Hispanic, that they are going to stop someone simply because they "look" a certain way.

Although I don't doubt there will be fools screwing with the cops just so that they can video tape them and then sue them for civil rights violations. What a steaming pile of crap the left has become.

jsautee

"Your papers pleeze!" What kind of country are we becoming? Let's reform the laws so that we can enforce our borders and give everyone an equal opportunity to become legal and contributing citizens.

"Your proof of Health insurance Please" says the IRS Agent.

Your point?

Reform the laws? Do you mean like changing the law that says it is illegal to cross the border at a non-check point? Or do you mean...Let's enforce the LAW.

The posts supporting the illegal alien protestors are obviously coming from the illegal aliens. Why would anyone else care?

Anyone who has a problem proving they are a legal citizen should go to a country where they do not have to prove they are a legal citizen, if they can find one.

Adios amigos.

Why would anyone else care? Because some people in this country don't feel like people should have to prove they aren't something over and over again just because they look a certain way. You can be damn sure that they won't be asking 90 year old white grandmas if they are Canadian and came over the boarder illegally. So there is a double standard at work here.

Adios amigos.

oh the irony.

You can be damn sure that they won't be asking 90 year old white grandmas if they are Canadian and came over the boarder illegally.

I bet the 90 year old Grandmas wouldn't care if it was doing whats best for the Country and it helped all her unemployed Grandchildren get a job. What the hell is so bad about flashing some I.D. every once in a while. I hate to break it to you folks, but we have a real problem with illegal aliens in this country right now. How else are you gonna find out if theyre legal or not?

What people tend to ignore is that many many Americans and legal immigrants of Hispanic background are totally for this law.

We have to show ID whenever we use a credit card, whenever we get pulled over for a traffic violation, when we want to open a bank account, apply for a driver's license, go to the hospital ER, and on and on and on. This is not a big deal folks.

Do you have to do it just for walking down the street?

bet the 90 year old Grandmas wouldn't care if it was doing whats best for the Country and it helped all her unemployed Grandchildren get a job.

What? You don't think any 90 year olds would be against this law? And you think their grandchildren would want to do the work that people coming over the border do? If so, there's a bridge we'd like to sell to you!

G&J - the law does not allow an officer to do what you say. He/she has to have probable cause.

You can argue abuse of the law, which I don't doubt there may be from time to time. But a problem with 12-30 million possible illegals in this nation is far more important an issue than to restrict our police from upholding the law, and just maybe cutting into this decades old, multi-billion dollar problem.

Do you have to do it just for walking down the street?

Whenever I leave my house/premises, my ID goes with me. So to answer your question, yep.

And you think their grandchildren would want to do the work that people coming over the border do? If so, there's a bridge we'd like to sell to you!

I notice you seem to have a very low opinion of your fellow Americans and their work ethic. I daresay you are parroting what others have said with little to know basis to back it up statistically. You are entitled to your own personal opinion, of course. I think you'd be surprised at just hard working most Americans are if given the chance.

So profiling is what happens anytime they show a blurry sketch on the news? or a generic description of a suspect?

I just want to make sure the next time I am asked for my ID (which actually happened less than a month ago after a bank robbery in Scottsdale) that I can start screaming about my civil rights being violated.

Bah that is too much work, was easier to say "here you go officer."

Lmao

Demitrix you live in Scottsdale?

Nice I'm all the way out in Glendale

Bah that is too much work, was easier to say "here you go officer."

Has happened to me a couple times. Not many but when it does I always seem to have the face of a robber or killer.

Yup. Scottsdale.

The only reason I am for this is that the crime has become way too rampant all over the metro and it is not getting better in any way shape or form.

I'm 100% for it

The way i look at it is if I don't have my ID on me and I commit a crime then the police have a right to inquire about my citizenship

People have to show ID when picking up a package from FEDEX...............or at the bank, at the doctor's office, when purchasing using a credit card, they check an ID with picture to make sure it's your card.................just think how many times a picture ID is required.

VIVA....shhhhh, you're being logical. That'll get you shot in some places, lol.

Lol..............yeah, good old common sense, whatever happened to it??????????

I'm a citizen, and Obama respect my rights.

He has yet to rob me or redistribute my money or my rights

Enough with the wingnuttery

Good for you...................

I support the immigration laws of the people of this country................

#13.1:I'm a citizen, and Obama respect my rights. He has yet to rob me or redistribute my money or my rights Enough with the wingnuttery

I'm with you K. My President respects my rights and asks for things that I want done. He has not robbed me either. The "wing-nutter" can only still vent and whine and moan, something they are very good at doing!

But they have nothing else- just a bunch of sore losers who never tire of the lies and inuendoes directed at the President in hopes of diluting his power. But it will not work - not this time! Keep on, President Obama.

Yeah, he's doing great.............as the polls show.

Yup...the POTUS is doing soooo great that he's trying to take away a state's rights to protect themselves, their citizens etc from illegal aliens who are posing -real- and present threats via criminal behavior against these same citizens. Yeah......he's sure doing a great job of that, all right.

HE wouldn't have even touched this issue with a ten foot pole if he didn't think that Arizona was setting a "bad" precedent against -his- power and control. Why else would he suddenly chime in against Arizona all the while making the talking points about how we need to address the issue? You know how the POTUS will "address the issue"? He'll grant all those illegals amnesty and citizenship along with all their free loading relatives.

Yeah, Mr Obama......you're doing such a great job.... /sarc/

I second the.........sarc and add some snark with the fact that Obama seems to play favorites with the states...............he didn't help the border states with protection, but he is throwing them under the bus..............of illegals coming in. Thanks zerO

KFPH!,

You are obviously one of the distributees!

distributees of what?

What a completely ignorant statement-you don't know me, you don't who I am, or what I do. I've never received anything that I did not work for in my life-but because I'm a liberal, I must be a low-life society-sucker-right?

The only obvious thing here is your name - based on your post above you have never had an independent or intelligent thought in your life

You make some good points,KFPH. It's true that the very same people that headed up some of the BigCo are now heading up the departments that is suppose to monitor them at BigGov. But I'll add that the hypocrisy is on both sides of the political isle. Both parties are guilty of ignoring the problem. Both parties run from it for fear of losing the Latino vote.
The problem needs to be stopped at the border.

It's not racial profiling, it's criminal profiling. Identifying criminals (illegal aliens), regardless of what their race is.

Not so good on the "War on Drugs"

To many illegals bringing dope across the border with them

GARY

Both parties run from it for fear of losing the Latino vote.

Its not necessarily the latino vote but what about the big corp that employ the illegals?

might not want to upset where all that campaign money comes from

And all you people who scream racial profiling have likely never read the thing but are relying on all the liberal rhetoric to make your opinion for you. If you do read it you'll see that the police cannot just walk up and down demanding papers willy nilly. They have to catch you breaking the law (wherein they can ask for ID, green cards, etc) or have legitimate probable cause just like always. Just -now- they are being given more oomph to do what the Fed's should have been doing all along.

Like the old saying goes....the only people that complain about speeding tickets are those who get caught speeding. Same thing here. If you're in this country legally and you aren't trying to get relatives or friends or drugs in here illegally....then you've nothing to worry or complain about.

It's not racial profiling, it's criminal profiling. Identifying criminals (illegal aliens), regardless of what their race is.

Riiiiight. As we just mentioned in another post, they won't be asking 90 year old grandmas if they are from Canada illegally. And they won't be asking only people who have committed a crime. You can bet money on that.

I assume you are a racist Greg&Jeff

I assume you are uneducated

I assume you are a fear mongering liberal

I assume you are an illegal alien

I assume you are a dangerous terrorist

I assume you are a baby raper

Just because someone assumes something doesn't make it so.

(PS these weren't meant to insult just for example)

I assume he's never actually read the law from beginning to end but is relying on liberal talking points to make his mind up for him.

:-)

And you know what ASSume stands for, right? Unlike you perhaps, we are quite capable of making up our own minds on things on this end, thank you very much.

KFPH - I am not buying your version of the truth.

Because the truth is if an employer did what you say, THEY would be attacked by you and the likes of you with exactly the same old tired argument. Profiling is helpful in finding criminals and stopping them.

Every poll that I've seen this weekend show that 70-95% of Americans support this law. I am not a big fan of polls, but this seems a pretty cut and dried example of doing the right thing for the right reasons.

Those that hate are going to hate. Most of us just want our country protected like the vast majority of nations around the globe.

But it is interesting. The left loves to tout the nations who are supposedly more advanced than us with their free, or single-payer healthcare. But when we try to protect our borders and our nation from illegals as these other nations do, you suddenly disagree.

And if you don't think the two topics are directly related, inform yourself. CA is in horrific financial shape, in large part due to our state being overrun with the cost of illegal immigration. Those not saddled with these problems in other states are far more likely to sit on their high horse and pontificate.

I didn't know you could determine illegality by looking at it.

Is it something that is stamped on a persons forehead that enables you to identify it.

I don't know what and illegal alien or immigrant looks like, nor does that stupid governor of Arizona . She admitted on National TV that she doesn't know or even have and idea as to what one looks like.

Can any of you identify dope dealers just by how they look?

Can you identify rapist and child molesters by how the look?

How about serial killers and murderers can they be identified by how they look?

If all of these criminal types can be identified by their appearance, would some one please explain to me why our police can't solve our criminal cases?

Why are there so many unsolved murders and kidnappings in the State of Arizona and the rest of the United States?

And you know what ASSume stands for, right? Unlike you perhaps, we are quite capable of making up our own minds on things on this end, thank you very much.

Yes and you have been doing a lot of ASSuming.

You ASSume this law is racist but have no proof

You ASSume cops will racially profile in a state that is widely hispanic

But I can see you have made up your own mind. You care only to see this law as racist because you can't get over your own prejudice and see the facts

If you do read it you'll see that the police cannot just walk up and down demanding papers willy nilly.

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B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY

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OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS

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STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS

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UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,

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WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE

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PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
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PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

The law says that an officer can demand to see papers for a reasonable suspicion that a person is an illegal alien. That is very vague, and I think that it could lead to officers demanding to see papers willy nilly.

I like the parts of the law regarding transporting an hiring illegals, but aren't there federal laws for that? I don't think that the Arizona law is the answer. The federal government should enforce the current laws.

The police can also pull you over if they have reasonable suspicion you're driving while intoxicated. OH NOES!!!!! You've been profiled! SUE! /sarc/

I don't think that being pulled over for suspicion of drunk driving can be compared to being pulled over for having brown skin.

The law says that an officer can demand to see papers for a reasonable suspicion that a person is an illegal alien

Wrong. It says for any lawful contact (traffic, or other state and federal laws that you are being pulled over for) if you do not produce ID then they can detain you till your citizenship is verified

Here's an idea, DON'T BREAK ANY LAWS AND YOU SHOULD BE FINE.

Another idea, if your not perfect and can't do the above CARRY YOUR ID WITH YOU

I don't think that being pulled over for suspicion of drunk driving can be compared to being pulled over for having brown skin.

If you would of read the law you would of seen the clear language that an officer CANNOT use race for any basis

It's easier for people to assume and criticize...if they bothered with facts, half these people would have nothing to say. It also seems like people are: confusing law enforcement with immigration reform, which are really two completely separate issues...and taking the opportunity to play the race card and point fingers at the gov't in order to further their own agendas.

The law is referring to any legal contact with law enforcement, including interviewing a witness of a crime. So, if someone reporting a crime is suspected of being an illegal alien then the officer must verify that they are legal. I do not think that illegals should be discouraged from reporting crimes. I know that they should not be in this country illegally, but their reluctance to report crimes will only encourage criminals. The police chief of Tucson, AZ is concerned that the bill does not define requirements of law enforcement.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126286849

Mr. ROBERTO VILLASENOR (Police Chief, Tucson, Arizona): It's going to cause some concerns for us. As a local law enforcement chief taking on the responsibility of federal immigration enforcement is something that we really don't have the resources to accomplish. And so that's one of the concerns we have. And also, I think that there's really not enough definition of what the requirements are going to be for local law enforcement in this regard, and there are some definitions that the governor has tasked our Arizona state agency, Arizona post to define what reasonable suspicion will look like in regards to this law.

Mr. VILLASENOR: Well, I think it says that you can't use race or ethnicity solely as the means of making that determination. I think that there will be an element of that that's looked at. And I think where a lot of people are getting confused is those instances where we stop someone for a criminal violation, we have some reason for that stop and that contact, but I don't believe that's what we're talking about in regard to this law.

This law is talking about in the course of any legal contact, as well as when we talk to a witness of a crime or when we talk to a victim of a crime. Those are legal contacts of law enforcement. Now we look at it in the context of those legal contacts.

If in the course of them, we develop reasonable suspicion that the individual we're talking with is illegally in the country, we are mandated to take enforcement action. That's where the questions are coming up is how do you develop that reasonable suspicion that they're in the country illegally if they're there talking to you just about being a victim of a crime.

Hrm matter of fact we had a home invasion last week where the criminals wore Mexican Army Uniforms. I think Mexuco has now assumed the border is in North Phoenix now.

Cheap labor

Usually cash labor so no taxes

Some will write the payments off as "business expenses"

They don't have to pay benefits

They don't have to pay minimum wage etc

NOT cheap labor actually. But true about not having to pay taxes or benefits. And for those of you who are uninformed. They make GOOD wages. NOT minimum wage or lower

You usually don't find illegals making more than $12 hr and believe me when I say that, that is damn good for an illegal. If you know of them making more than that, then please by all means show your proof

You usually don't find illegals making more than $12 hr and believe me when I say that, that is damn good for an illegal. If you know of them making more than that, then please by all means show your proof

Oh...and tell us who is paying that starting wage because I know a lot of out of work people in AZ who would love that!

Oh...and tell us who is paying that starting wage because I know a lot of out of work people in AZ who would love that!

Right now? Umm....not a lot

When construction was still going fast like it was, most were getting paid those wages but they also had stolen someones ID to do it. That and there were quite a few construction companies that just didn't check or didn't care

And -this- American says "AMEN!"

I am joining msrachelm's amen

I will join in that

want to vote 16 times for a Democrat. ID not required.

Then would it be safe to say people can vote for a republican 16 times without showing an i.d. or are the polling stations you refer to Democrat only?Nor do I believe it is required in any state to carry an i.d. when stealing a car or breaking into a home.

Your comment is immature and rediculous.

Sense of Humor Bigbugy: Some of us got, some don't. most need it

BKER, you and so many others have this in perspective. Showing ID is NOT that big a deal. It's nothing new.

Having only certain people show it based on the color of their skin is. Well, perhaps we did that with Japanese interment camps too, but we don't really want to go there, do we?

Here we go with the false argument tactic. No one is throwing anyone into internment camps. If you are here illegally, you need to be arrested and deported.

This upside down world sponsored by the childish sky-is-falling left has got to stop.

Japanese internment camps? Now that's a new tactic, lol. I've seen the racial profiling card, the nazi card...and now this. ROFL!

Drama-lama.

Mr Obama has a huge conflict of interest as far as illegals are concerned because his own Aunt is here illegally. She has been asked twice (I believe) to leave but has refused and Mr Obama sure as heck not encouraging her to do so either. She was even at his inauguration while being here illegally.

Expecting Mr Obama to act in any way "against" illegals is just not going to happen since a member of his own immediate family -IS- one.

I agree his interest is conflicted but that's why he's not in the investigation

Don't forget road use taxes

I will guarantee you what they pay by NO MEANS covers what they milk out of the system through healthcare and our schools.

Schools? Didn't realize there was a mandate for us to educate people here illegally. Healthcare is another matter, but that's more of compassion. You don't really want people dying in the streets do you? Maybe you do.

Schools? Didn't realize there was a mandate for us to educate people here illegally.

Have you been living in a news-free zone for the last several years?

The children of illegals are given special classrooms taught by Spanish speaking teachers (because of course they can't speak English nor do their parents want them to learn it). They are given free lunches (which I really don't mind because the poor kids are actually caught in the middle of this thru no real fault of their own).

What -should- be happening is that they should still be in their native country in the first place and getting their education there and their food there rather than here.

While these massive budget deficits cannot be attributed to any single source, the enormous impact of large-scale illegal immigration cannot be ignored. The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states nearly $12 billion annually, and when the children born here to illegal aliens are added, the costs more than double to $28.6 billion.

via this link: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

Additionally, to see a full list of the cost of educating illegal immigrants per state back in 2003 go to this link: http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/schoolbudgets.htm . Needless to say the costs would be MUCH higher now.

Sort of like the nasty disease and filth that the Europeans gave to the native Americans ,like chicken pox, small pox and typhoid fever and various other deadly diseases that the Europeans gave to the Indians.

renard, ummm....fail to see the segue there. One is deliberate....the other was not. But whatever.

Which are you saying was deliberate, because I remember a US General intentionally using small pox contaminated blankets to infect Indians during the conquest of the old west.

You remember it? Really? Just how old -are- you anyway?

( : Lol..............have a good Monday!!!!!!!! I'm ready to go out a show my ID to enter the building.

;-P

LOL, and you too VIVA.

mrsracelm

I find it strange how you and others like you make cute silly remarks regarding the serious points other individuals have made simply to avoid the reality and truth of those comments as though some how making a joke out of them reduces the value of the argument.

Mexicans today have just as much right to come to America as the people who first came to America from Europe did.

I've responded to you seriously several times, renard...then after a while a person just has to laugh. If you want to live your life being totally serious all the time, be all means, have at it.

I like to interject some levity now and then. Feel free to put me on ignore if you find my sense of humor personally offensive.

See how easy that is?

You take care now and have a -happy- day!

I don't know why you are saying that.

We are well on our way to being a third world nation and we owe it all to George Bush and the Republican Party.

And immigrants from Mexico and South America had nothing to do with it at all.

We are well on our way to being a third world nation and we owe it all to George Bush and the Republican Party

You're getting pretty good at scare tactics there buddy, looks like youve been learning something from us Republicans after all. This is reality, not bragging our being big headed: We are a world economic superpower. If at anypoint America did in fact become a third world country, the entire world economy would collapse. Yes, China kind of owns the majority of our debt right now, it still doesn't change our status as one of the top economies in the world. It is just the simple facts, that is why we will not drop to that level. It was very scary though, I applaud your overall creepiness and willingness to scare the inherent patriot attitude in every Republican. I actually pooped a little when I read it.

renard:

It may make you feel good to think we're third world nation, but the feeling is fake.

The fact is that Mexico continues to be a country engulfed in a drug war, with a weak economy and wide spread poverty. I believe Mexico has all the ingredients to be a developed nation with a broad and strong middle class, and I believe they will succeed. But, the path to success starts with the will of the Mexican people. They have to believe, as most American's do about their country, that they only solution to their childrens future is a strong, vibrant, and safe Mexico.

BTW, no Mexico does not have a drug problem. America has a drug problem and we need to start punishing narcotics users severely.

We are well on our way to being a third world nation and we owe it all to George Bush and the Republican Party.

And immigrants from Mexico and South America had nothing to do with it at all.

The illegals crossing our border from Mexico is a non-partisan issue. It's happened for decades and through presidents from both parties, lol.

You can point fingers all you want but it won't fix our current problem, will it? We have to deal with this issue as it stands right now. Finally, after waiting for decades for the Feds to do something, the state is stepping up and I for one applaud it.

You guys who think we are still and economic superpower are really not very smart.

We are basically financiers and consumers for foreign made products, in this world to be a superpower economically you need to manufacture goods.

China is probably the only nation in the world that really manufacturers anything anymore.

And as consumers most of us are so far in debt we cant really afford to buy much more than grocery.

That is why are economy is still so sluggish after 8 years of Republican tax cutting and almost 8 years of war.

As the economies of India and Africa mature we will easily be replaced as consumers of cheap foreign made goods.

Ask any crack head or dope addict if it makes a difference which drug dealer sells them their stuff they will tell you know as long as it gets them high.

Well you know, renard....

if you feel that your life is better served living in another country and that this other country will more adequately supply your needs, you have every right to seek citizenship there. I know for a fact that were I in a country I disliked and there was another I thought would do more for me and my family I'd relocate and seek citizenship (legally, I might add) without a backwards glance.

And so do you!

Yeah, I do...but I'm not the one complaining about this country or AZ...you are. So figured I'd let you know you have choices available.

Have a great day.

I like the USA that I and many others like me served to defend and protect not some crazy Republican or Tea Baggers notion or idea of what America is or is not.