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Reflections on Glass-Steagall and Maniacal Deregulation

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"Today marks the 10-year anniversary of the passage of the repeal of the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act and related legislation. It is an anniversary worth noting for what it teaches us about forestalling financial crises, the consequences of maniacal deregulation, and the out-of-control political power of the megafinancial institutions.

The repeal of Glass-Steagall removed the legal prohibition on combinations between commercial banks on the one hand, and investment banks and other financial services companies on the other. Glass-Steagall's strict rules originated in the U.S. government's response to the Depression and reflected the learned experience of the severe dangers to consumers and the overall financial system of permitting giant financial institutions to combine commercial banking with other financial operations."

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{"commentId":10639299,"authorDomain":"rayjs"}
Repeal of Glass-Steagall had many important direct effects but the most important was to change the culture of commercial banking to emulate Wall Street's high-risk speculative betting approach.

And thus...the seeds were planted for the economic catastrophe.

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  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:26 PM EST
{"commentId":10640399,"authorDomain":"Carol-1960"}
But in Congress a recognition is now settling in that regulatory reforms on the table are failing to deal with the problems of size and industry structure -- and that there may be a severe political price to be paid for such failure. Suddenly, it seems that common sense may again be politically viable.

Somehow, common sense and Congress don't seem to mix.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:13 PM EST
{"commentId":10640403,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

What most American still do not get, especially liberal class deluded ideologues, is that Clinton, and his NAFTA, Deregulated policies, mirrored, appeased Reagan's free market fascism, that hollowed out social wealth and productive industries into the slave market labor countries like China to enrich a handful of billionaires, the result of a hollowed out middle/working class......ALL LINKED TO THE VERY SAME CLASS IDEOLOGIES, FREE MARKET DOGMAS, CORPORATE, CLASS MYTHS OF BOTH CORPORATE PARTIES. It is an ideological prison, that keeps Liberals from real change, chained to imperial policies, corporate policies, Wall STreet and Empire.....of their own deluded, stubborn resistance to look at their own ideological failures.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:13 PM EST
{"commentId":10643025,"authorDomain":"ZebedeeWalker"}

I think it is fairly obvious from the tenor of this particular article's source, that an extremely "progressive" agenda underlies the content of the piece. Yet had it been reported by a conservative outlet the focus would have been on Clinton's responsibility for our economic woes. It seems that all we have left in this country are "corporate parties" and "class myths". In American politics today, the desire for individual prosperity has left no room for loyalty to the public conscience and we have relegated ourselves to The Natural Condition of Mankind consisting of a life in the state of war of every man against every man. Thomas Hobbes, in his chapter on Those Things that Weaken or Tend to the Dissolution of a Commonwealth in his book Leviathan said the following which I think pertains to the current crisis in our country:

Therefore, though he that is subject to no civil law sinneth in all he does against his conscience, because he has no other rule to follow but his own reason, yet it is not so with him that lives in a Commonwealth, because the law is the public conscience by which he hath already undertaken to be guided. Otherwise in such diversity as there is of private consciences, which are but private opinions, the Commonwealth must needs be distracted, and no man dare to obey the sovereign power farther than it shall seem good in his own eyes.
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#3.1 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:07 PM EST
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{"commentId":10642072,"authorDomain":"lampell"}

As a former stockbroker I am most familiar with that legislation. The repeal of that legislation is touted as the big reason why we got into this "mess". Sounds good, not true however. The act had been gutted way before its repeal. The firm I worked for was taken over by a huge insurance company back in the early 80s way before the bill was repealed. Numerous firms had already skirted the regulation by that time. In addition banks, which had been restricted as to their geographic area, like Citi Bank had been allowed to expand across state lines way before the repeal of the act. In fact Chicago banks were restricted to one branch due to Depression era legislation. It was the state that allowed those banks to expand. It is simplistic to blame this mess on a piece of legislation that had no teeth. Sounds good, not true.

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    Reply#4 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:26 PM EST
    {"commentId":10642833,"authorDomain":"rayjs"}
    The repeal of that legislation is touted as the big reason why we got into this "mess". Sounds good, not true however. The act had been gutted way before its repeal.

    The seeded article addresses the gutting of the Act:

    As banks eyed the higher profits in higher risk activity, however, they began in the 1970s to breach the regulatory walls between commercial banking and other financial services. Starting in the 1980s, responding to a steady drumbeat of requests, regulators began to weaken the strict prohibition on cross-ownership.

    Clearly the failure to enforce Glass-Steagall.....and finally through its total elimination, played a major roll in the financial sector's catastrophic meltdown.

    The private financial sector (including wall-street) failed and everyone is paying for it.

    There is no credible evidence to refute the fact that the lack of private sector oversight and enforcement destroyed the world's economy. To deny or belittle the fact is tantamount to denying that the earth orbits the sun.

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    #4.1 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:59 PM EST
    {"commentId":10643184,"authorDomain":"lampell"}
    There is no credible evidence to refute the fact that the lack of private sector oversight and enforcement destroyed the world's economy. To deny or belittle the fact is tantamount to denying that the earth orbits the sun.

    How can one refute a "fact" that isnt a fact? If it were so obvious everyone would have shorrted the market in 1999, had their clock cleaned by Oct 2007. The "fact" is that most of the products being used during the housing bubble werent regulated in the first place, so whats the point citing a bill that never regulated those products. The rise of private equity funds, hedge funds etc also were not included in the original legislation.

    Govt policy, which by the way continues today, is to encourage home ownership one way or the other whether it is in the form of 8000 tax incentives, 3.5 pct down with FHA loans. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac continue to lose large amounts of money trying to prop up the housing market. In fact soon Freddie Mac will be a large owner of homes as they seek to let homeowners rent the property rather than foreclose. We cant single out a particular administration since Bush and Barney both pushed home ownership. True banks etc pushed lousy loans, but consumers have to take them, and they certainly did. Govt policy allowed banks to sell the loans so they could issue new ones. Without govt policy this couldnt have happened.

    As far as financial reform, most has been talk, the Tsy would like to expand the Fed, the Senate would like to cut it down. Lot of talk.

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      #4.2 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:14 PM EST
      {"commentId":10670296,"authorDomain":"rayjs"}
      How can one refute a "fact" that isnt a fact?

      With evidence, and I see none in your post. Sorry.

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      • 1 vote
      #4.3 - Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:38 PM EST
      {"commentId":10670683,"authorDomain":"lampell"}
      With evidence, and I see none in your post. Sorry.

      I am not the one who has to provide any "evidence". You cited a source, not you, that stated that no one can refute the "fact" that lack of oversight "destroyed" the global economy. Thats a fact? simply because you cited a source who says so? If it were such a "fact" why didnt the author short the stockmarket when I did? I have been in finance for 35 years so I dont have to cite "facts" from other sources. While I am not a big shot I can cite myself.

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        #4.4 - Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:02 PM EST
        {"commentId":10676247,"authorDomain":"rayjs"}
        If it were such a "fact" why didnt the author short the stockmarket when I did?

        Irrelevant. There is no evidence to link individual stock market decisions with the failure or lack of oversight and regulation.

        While I am not a big shot I can cite myself.

        Well, yes and so can the local dogcatcher.

        Still no evidence....oh well.

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          #4.5 - Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:44 AM EST
          {"commentId":10678411,"authorDomain":"lampell"}

          Well, yes and so can the local dogcatcher.

          Still no evidence....oh well.

          Ah yes, how nice to avoid issues, you would like a smoking gun sentence from some economist who refutes your statement which wasnt evidence in the first place, nice try:)

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            #4.6 - Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:12 PM EST
            {"commentId":10689682,"authorDomain":"rayjs"}

            Still nothing?

            Come on quit dodging. Show me proof that the lack of oversight, regulation, and enforcement had nothing to do with the meltdown.

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            • 1 vote
            #4.7 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:04 PM EST
            {"commentId":10689875,"authorDomain":"lampell"}

            Still nothing?

            Come on quit dodging. Show me proof that the lack of oversight, regulation, and enforcement had nothing to do with the meltdown.

            You have this backwards, you have provided absoltely no evidence whatsover to back up whatever you are saying. And having a discussion with someone who is willing to listen to a dog catcher as their sourse doesnt make for a intelligent discussion. Discounting someones experience of 35 years because you want a smoking gun link to satisfy your ego doesnt cut it, sorry.

            Every nincumpoop on the planet knows that things got out of hand, but what is incredible is how many people like to simplify things in their own mind so that they and they alone know the "secret" of the meltdown. Makes for good reading. People seem to like simplistic answers and thnk they know about the subject because they can quote reporters and journalist links.

            You dont want evidence of anything you want a discussion with a dog catcher.

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              #4.8 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:20 PM EST
              {"commentId":10690122,"authorDomain":"rayjs"}

              Post 4.8

              You have this backwards, you have provided absoltely no evidence whatsover to back up whatever you are saying.

              The meltdown is the proof.

              Anything...anything at all?

              Come on quit dodging. Show me proof that the lack of oversight, regulation, and enforcement had nothing to do with the meltdown.

              You dont want evidence of anything you want a discussion with a dog catcher.

              So the dog catcher has a clue.

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              • 1 vote
              #4.9 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:42 PM EST
              {"commentId":10690205,"authorDomain":"lampell"}
              So the dog catcher has a clue.

              And insulting others proves your point about anything. I made money in the meltdown, I dont care who is in office, dont care about political parties, make a bit more than a dog catcher, have testified in Australian Parliament on the subject of financial reform, which might be one reason they didnt have a meltdown. Have lectured on derivatives and dont come to simplistic answers with simplistic questions. You dont want a discussion since you know all the answers. Write a book and I will read it.

              Thanks

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                #4.10 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:49 PM EST
                {"commentId":10690455,"authorDomain":"rayjs"}
                You dont want a discussion since you know all the answers.

                False....again.

                I keep asking:

                Show me proof that the lack of oversight, regulation, and enforcement had nothing to do with the meltdown.

                You keep dodging and running away.

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                • 1 vote
                #4.11 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:10 PM EST
                {"commentId":10690555,"authorDomain":"lampell"}

                I keep asking:

                Show me proof that the lack of oversight, regulation, and enforcement had nothing to do with the meltdown.
                You keep dodging and running away.

                There are no new regulations concerning financial services, FHA, GNMA, Freddie and Fannie still pumping out shoddy loans, no meltdown and according to the President the economy is recovering and the recession is over, all with no changes.

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                  #4.12 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:19 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10690618,"authorDomain":"rayjs"}
                  I made money in the meltdown

                  I see now. It is all clear. You profited from the meltdown. Regulation, oversight, and enforcement is your enemy. The meltdown made you money, so naturally, you do not wish to support regulation, oversight and enforcement. You go out of your way to be critical of regulations because it made you money.

                  Have lectured on derivatives and dont come to simplistic answers with simplistic questions.

                  To you.. these "simplistic" solutions must therefore be "talked down" and ridiculed. Solutions are in your way of making money. You fail to offer or recognize solutions to the financial crisis because solutions inhibit your profit.

                  Your credibility is shot to hell....you are a troll.

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                  • 1 vote
                  #4.13 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:25 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10690690,"authorDomain":"lampell"}
                  LampellDeleted
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                  4.14 removed for trolling

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                  • 1 vote
                  #4.15 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:37 PM EST
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                  {"commentId":10642160,"authorDomain":"davinci-len"}
                  A year ago, as the financial crisis was unfolding, it seemed very plausible that these reforms would be seriously debated in Congress. Three months ago, it appeared that Wall Street had successfully maneuvered to keep them off the table. But in Congress a recognition is now settling in that regulatory reforms on the table are failing to deal with the problems of size and industry structure -- and that there may be a severe political price to be paid for such failure. Suddenly, it seems that common sense may again be politically viable.

                  Marx had great insight into Capitalism and how it worked in his time. Little-by-little we are approaching such a system again. It was characterized by horrible working conditions, exploitation, poor wages and no future. Sound familiar?

                  In the near future you'll see a redefinition of what constitutes who is and isn't considered unemployed. Here is a little history showing how previous administrations played around with the numbers to fool Americans:

                  • During the Kennedy administration, unemployment was redefined with the concept of "discouraged workers" so as to reduce the popularly followed unemployment rate.
                  • If Lyndon Johnson didn't like the growth that was going to be reported in the GNP, he sent it back to the Commerce Department, and he kept doing so until Commerce got it right. The Johnson administration also was responsible for gimmicking the accounting that hides most of the federal deficit.
                  • Richard Nixon had a highly publicized war with the Bureau of Labor Statistics on the unemployment data. Nixon wanted to report the unemployment rate as the lower of the seasonally adjusted or unadjusted number, at any given time, but not specify same to the public. While that approach was unconscionable at the time and never used, basically the same methodology was introduced in 2004 as "state-of-the-art" by the current Bush administration.
                  • The Carter administration was caught deliberately understating inflation.
                  • Systemic changes were introduced during the Reagan administration to boost reported GNP/GDP growth on a regular basis. The wildest manipulations, however, happened at the time of the 1987 liquidity panic. In addition to intervention in the futures markets by the New York Fed to help prop the stock market after the October 19th crash, direct and heavy manipulation of the trade deficit data, under the direction of the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury, was used in conjunction with massive currency intervention to help bottom the dollar and to contain the currency panic at year-end 1987.
                  • The first Bush Administration began efforts at the systematic reduction of the reported rate of CPI inflation, and worked an outside-the-system GDP manipulation aimed at helping with the failed 1992 reelection bid.
                  • As former Labor Secretary Bob Reich explained in his memoirs, the Clinton administration had found in its public polling that if the government inflated economic reporting, enough people would believe it to swing a close election. Accordingly, whatever integrity had survived in the economic reporting system disappeared during the Clinton years. Unemployment was redefined to eliminate five million discouraged workers and to lower the unemployment rate; methodologies were changed to reduce poverty reporting, to reduce reported CPI inflation, to inflate reported GDP growth, among others.
                  • The current Bush administration has expanded upon the Clinton era initiatives, particularly in setting the stage for the adoption of a new and lower-inflation CPI and in further redefining the GDP and the concept of seasonal adjustment.

                  http://www.bestmindsinc.com/documents/Gillespie.Williams.GovtStats.EmloymentandUnemployment.2004.pdf

                  Both parties are worthless and deserving of all our contempt as they cater to the best interests of the few. There will be no meaningful legislation on the matter of regulation. Anything that is passed will be watered-down to the point of absurdity. The best we can hope for is the total and final collapse of Capitalism. We’re now on the cusp of that event. The system previously exhausted all its pathways and all eventually led to failure. The only “option” left is the financial gimmickry which tanked the economy. The system has run out of ideas, it has ceased to be creative. All economic "philosophies" have their time and then die. Capitalism is approaching that time. By the end of this century a new and hopefully fairer system will rise out of the ashes, one that works on behalf of ALL society, not just its financial elite.

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                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#5 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:30 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10665174,"authorDomain":"Carol-1960"}

                  DaVinci, thanks for this long post. It just shows you that numbers can be manipulated to mean just about anything you want. As for your statement that

                  Both parties are worthless and deserving of all our contempt as they cater to the best interests of the few.

                  This is the reason that we need meaningful campaign reform. Most of the congressmen are beholden to their campaign contributors, and do little to help the ordinary citizens.

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                  • 1 vote
                  #5.1 - Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:13 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10691073,"authorDomain":"rayjs"}
                  This is the reason that we need meaningful campaign reform. Most of the congressmen are beholden to their campaign contributors, and do little to help the ordinary citizens.

                  How true. Its just legal bribery.

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                  • 2 votes
                  #5.2 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:13 PM EST
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                  {"commentId":10691017,"authorDomain":"rayjs"}
                  Ratigan Celebrates the 10th Anniversary of Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act

                  Link here.

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                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#6 - Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:06 PM EST
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